Emarian

I'll start off with a little argument, just like on the normal thread, and let it build on itself.

The Earth is in the perfect position from the Sun. If it were much further away, we would all freeze to death, but if it were much closer, we would burn.

And let's think about it this way:

Let's say you are walking through some woods, and you see a tree-cutter.

You have to conclude many different arguments from this sight:

1. The cutter is not organic, it was built.
2. The cutter serves a specific purpose.
3. The cutter has nothing to do with mother nature.
4. The cutter was placed there intentionally.
5. Someone had to place the cutter there.

Now, when we look at Earth, we see my earlier point:

"The Earth is in the perfect position from the Sun. If it were much further away, we would all freeze to death, but if it were much closer, we would burn."

Along with many other necessities of life:

Sun. Simply not having the sun would kill us anyways, not just the position matters.

Water. All living beings cannot survive without water. Everything depends on water, and water is 80% of a human body's composition. Without water, life could not possibly exist.

Land. Land is present for walking beings to exist on.

Oxygen. Almost no organism on the Earth can survive without oxygen, and we have to breath it every minute.

And another intentional creation:

The human brain. The brain is capable of producing incredible amounts of energy, and is extremely powerful. We are the only organisms on Earth that can build houses, handle electricity, and all the other inventions. Did the human brain really form piece by piece from smaller forms of life?

It is reasonable to conclude that an external force had to be present.

Newton's Laws Of Motion contain three scientific laws that pertain quite well to this argument:

First Law:
If no net force acts on a particle, then it is possible to select a set of reference frames, called inertial reference frames, observed from which the particle moves without any change in velocity. This law is often simplified into the sentence "An object will stay at rest or continue at a constant velocity unless acted upon by an external unbalanced force".

Second Law:
Observed from an inertial reference frame, the net force on a particle is proportional to the time rate of change of its linear momentum: F = d[mv] / dt. Momentum is the product of mass and velocity. This law is often stated as F = ma (the net force on an object is equal to the mass of the object multiplied by its acceleration).

Third Law:
Whenever a particle A exerts a force on another particle B, B simultaneously exerts a force on A with the same magnitude in the opposite direction. The strong form of the law further postulates that these two forces act along the same line. This law is often simplified into the sentence "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction"."An object will stay at rest or continue at a constant velocity unless acted upon by an external unbalanced force".

That is the part that I am interested in. Any object will not move unless an external force moves it. This does not apply to every case, such as the theory of the big bang, because of how atoms work. But it can be used to help portray the idea that I'm trying to push across. The universe was more than likely created by some external force, an intelligent being.

Thoughts?

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Random Turnip

Well, as for the sun thing. There are litterally millions of other planets out there which are not the perfect distance from the sun and therefore chance has it that undoubtablly there will be one in the correct position. Also, did god also create all of these other planets? if so then he isn't perfect which is in direct contradiction with beliefs supporting his existnace, if he didnt create them, then this is proof that planets can be created with out the help of a mythical being.
As for land, water and oxygen, it is pretty simiar to thing about the sun, with all the planets that exist, the chance is that one will be suitable for habitation.

Personally my opinion on God is that he was created as a simple answer to things we can't yet explain.

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Halcyon

If God created all of these other planets, then how does that make him imperfect? That doesn't make any sense. After all, how interesting would life be if God gave us nothing to do but sit on one planet? This way, we have lots of space and planets to explore and maybe he put some other alien beings out there for us to interact with.

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Mike

Scientifically, The Adam and Eve story is a hoax. We evolved from primates. Also, if there is life ( by that i mean Bacteria) on Europa, then why would god make bacteria there? We could monitor Europa's evolution and that would really have an impact on religion. Also, the fact is that Europa, even if it has life, it would be marine life and marine life cannot really advance because of fire. Europa is a big ocean with the top frozen. Also, Europa has no atmosphere, this would prevent any real habitable environment. Unless, like in 2061: Odyssey Three, Jupiter becomes a star and that would cause Europa to melt releasing water vapor into the air, eventually creating an atmosphere.

Scientists also believe that there should be thousands of other life forms with even higher intelligence then we do. We are a class 0 civilization. Class 1 is when you can control weather on the planet. Class two is the power of a star. Class 2 is presumed to be immortal because it can just stop a supernovae of the star it relies on. Class 3 is the ultimate class and can decide the future of it's galaxy.

The universe is continually expanding, but the ultimate question is, where did it all start and how? No gasses before the universe started. Nothing... How did it start? Maybe a god...

What is the universe? Does it even exist?


-.- also why would god look like a human? Humans didn't exist before he did if he really does exist

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tina.anderson

Who said God has to look like a human? No one knows what he looks like. Also, that brings up another interesting topic. We throw around the word "he" all the time when talking about God, but how do we know what gender he is or if he even has a gender? I believe in God by the way. I'm Catholic. That argument in the first post was excellent. I'd like to show that to some agnostic people I know.

Bully

There isn't any logical proof, or proof that would change my mind on the debate.

People who believe in God almost ALWAYS say in an arguement with an atheist, "Then who created Earth?". All I have to say to that is "Who created God?". I find it hard to believe that a man we can't even see (A.K.A. not real) just "made" the earth, galaxy, whatever. Heaven was just created to say to people that they will go into an imaginary paradise when you die so you don't have to be afraid of death.

So obviously, I don't believe in God. I've claimed to be an atheist and I still have these so-called "miracles" that believers claim to have when they feel the touch of God. Also, in all the debates I've seen about "Is God Real," I've still found no logical reason to reverse my opinion, and become a believer.

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Shooting Palanx

I'm a christian, but I'm not exactly faithful, I go to church, but that doesn't mean we have to like it right?

I believe in God in a somewhat retrospect, he or she kind of sheds light in a manner of speaking.

For instance, I didn't make it to university, (I didn't want to go btw), than I was given an offer to go to college, my mom said that it was a "blessing".

Hmmm.... Blessing or Luck, lol.

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Gamma

Hmmm.

You guys are stupid lol.

Nice job reading the OPP thread >.>

This went entirely off-base now. I'm going to close it, because it's ruined, lol.

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