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Old 12-10-2007, 09:58 PM   #1
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I've quit now because of these new updates.

And here's a nice quote to ponder on:
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin

They've taken staking, now they screw with their economy by destroying the trade system, and completely remove pking. The wilderness is gone. Phats are only 10m, compared to 500m the other day. Green masks are 500k.

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You will be aware, from newsposts and this week's Development Diary, of real-world trading and the danger it poses to RuneScape. To solve this once and for all, we are tweaking what happens when you drop items, updating the trade system to warn you about unbalanced trades and planning a final adjustment to the trading system, in the first week of January.
We strongly advise you to read this week's Development Diary before this newspost, so that you can fully understand why we have made these vitally important changes.
Unbalanced Trade:
To remove real-world trading from RuneScape, we must stop the gold sellers' ability to function. We believe that the best and only way to do this will be to stop unbalanced trade.
We consider an unbalanced trade to be one that is not equivalent, with a trader receiving items that are much more valuable than those they are giving away. For example, a party hat traded for a bucket is quite obviously an unbalanced trade.
For a trade to be 'balanced', the total value of the items being given must be within 3,000gp of the items being received. For example you WOULD be allowed to trade an item worth 15,000gp for an item worth 17,000gp (because the DIFFERENCE is less than 3,000gp). You will be limited to a 3,000gp gain or loss every 15 minutes.
We are aware that many of you will want to prepare for this change. So, initially, we are just going to make the trade system WARN about unbalanced trades, but it will still allow the trade to go through. This seriously reduces any opportunities for scamming, but still gives you a chance to get used to how it works, organise your items, hand back borrowed stuff, and give Christmas presents. Then, in the first week of January, we will change it to simply not allow unbalanced trades outside of the 3,000gp limit. We will be reminding you when the January date approaches, so that you can be best prepared.
For certain categories of account (mostly new accounts) we are actually implementing the trade restriction immediately. This allows us to stop a large chunk of the cheating immediately, since most of the real-world traders are using new accounts due to their previous ones being banned. For the vast majority of players, the trade restriction will come into effect in the first week of January.
We'd like to reassure you that we plan to keep a thriving player-trading economy. We are certainly NOT planning to remove trading from the game! It's only very unbalanced trades which will be affected. You won't be forced to use the Grand Exchange to trade either, although that will remain a superb means of buying or selling any of your items.
The 3,000gp rule means that you can still help each other out by offering cheaper items for free. We are certainly not going to stop you giving a Fishing rod or an antipoison potion to those who need it or, indeed, offering inflated amounts for items you want in a hurry, within the 3,000gp limit.
This shouldn't overly affect legitimate players, as the aim is to make sure there is no reason to NEED to do an unbalanced trade (more on how we have tried to ensure this below). It stops the real-world traders dead, as there is no way they can make delivery of purchased gold/items any more. Our aim is to make gold-selling so difficult that gold sellers and farmers are forced to leave RuneScape forever.
For more information on unbalanced trade, please read the Knowledge Base article.
Covert Trades:
Any real-world trader will respond to the removal of unbalanced trade by investigating ways round it. They will be looking for alternative ways to transfer gold other than trading. We are one step ahead, however, and have already researched every possible means for them to do so and amended them over the past few months.
We have previously adjusted the Duel Arena, Party Room, shops, etc. to prevent them being used to covertly transfer purchased gold.
One way of covertly transferring gold has not been mentioned yet, and we have addressed it this month. By dropping an item - through death or just discarding it - a real-world trader was able to make an unbalanced trade.
For the removal of unbalanced trade to be successful we must, therefore, change the way that player-dropped items work.
Discarded Item Changes
One way to fix it would be to make all discarded items invisible to other players. After all, a real-world trader would find it difficult to offer another player a stack of gold if their customer could not see it, let alone pick it up!
We've not gone quite that far. Instead, we have decided to just limit the visible amount. When you discard items by dropping them on the floor, they will only become visible to other players if their market value is less than 3,000 coins. Items with a market value less than this will become visible to other players after a delay (like before) - unless you've already reached your limit of 3,000 coins worth of items on the floor in a 15 minute period. This doesn't prevent you from discarding unwanted items or picking them up again; the change only restricts the ability of other players to see your discarded stuff.
There are no restrictions to how many items you can drop and how many of them are visible to you - this is only a change to the way your discarded items appear to other players.
Items Dropped on Death Changes
For the same reasons as mentioned above, we have made changes to how items are dropped on death.
When you die, (unless in the Bounty Hunter area - more on this later), you will leave a temporary gravestone behind. While the gravestone remains, your dropped items will not despawn, giving you a bit of time to run back and collect them. Other players will not be able to see or take items from your gravestone.
Your friends can make your gravestone remain for longer, either by repairing it when it starts to crumble or by expending Prayer points to bless it. Your stone can be maintained this way for up to a maximum of an hour. This will give you more time to return and pick up from where you left off.
Please read the Knowledge Base article to find out more about gravestones and how to purchase a variety of gravestone types.
Previous Updates:
As mentioned before, we have already released several updates that have paved the way for this change. We've tried really, really hard to make sure that for everything affected by this week's changes, we have provided a replacement means of doing the same thing, which is at least as good.
On the left-hand side of the table below, you can see those activities that have been affected by this week's updates. On the right, we show those recent updates that allow you to continue performing that activity.
If there's anything you think that we've missed then please let us know on the Suggestions forum. We are confident we can stop the cheaters AND still create all of the types of gameplay you enjoy. It just requires a bit of creative thinking!
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:20 PM   #2
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OMG thats fukin gay!

i'm not going to quit just yet, but what the hell is jagex thinking?!

Edit: well, here s a quote from the development diary, so maybe it won't end up so bad

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Our ability to update RuneScape so regularly puts us in a unique position within the MMOG industry: we're able to respond to our players' feedback very quickly. We always welcome constructive feedback from our players and the Forums are the ideal place for this. We will be watching them, as always, for valid suggestions on how we can tweak things or iron out any kinks, as we did with the Assist System. We can't always respond to Forum threads, as we're busy working on the game, but we are reading them.

We realise removing unbalanced trade is a big deal, but we want to assure you that this change has not been taken lightly, that we've exhausted all the alternatives. We've tried countless ways to defeat real-world trading and considered many other options to end this problem – this change was the only definite way to do so. Unbalanced trade is going from RuneScape; if anything gets lost alongside it we can find it again, new and improved, with the help and support of our players. Mod Hobagoly says, "We know it's going to be a bumpy ride, but RuneScape is going to be better for it."
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:41 PM   #3
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I flipped out when you told me this over the phone, xD.

Lucky for me, I didn't renew my subscription .
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ok, after actually reading the updates, nothing is bad about it...at all

the only problem i have with it is the unbalanced trading, i think that instead of making unbalanced trades restricted for all players, they should have it for members that are lvl 50 and under, so if i have a friend who is quitting or something, and he wants to give me his stuff...he can.

also, how do you know that the phats are now 10m?...i dont know why they would change that, and they didn't announce anything about it

but other than that, i don't have any problem with the new changes

(also emarian...if your really gonna quit, can i have your stuff before the unbalanced trading takes effect (which will happen the first week of jan), please ...i'll give you all my credits )
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:00 AM   #5
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@Xhed, that's a good idea..
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the unballenced trading one?...i know ^_^

but you didnt answers my question about the phats
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Meh. It's still pretty bad, man...no wilderness, no looting people's bodies...

It's retarded.

Runescape goes farther than any other game in stopping macroing and RWT.

They should just give it up and accept it's gonna happen.

Not everyone does it.

Argh.

Take out the people that do, but don't make the people who play the game legitimately suffer...Jagex made the game 10x worse with this update than it was when RWT was easy.
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OMFG >_<.

I bet you half of the RS players are going to quit >_<.

Thats the worst update Jagex has ever gone through.

1/10.
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-1/10.

lol.

It's gonna be just like SWG; they ruin the game, over half of the population quits.

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Ya, Finally >_<, Now i wish that all my friends that play it quit, But hopefully ya.

But i can't believe hes spent 3+ years playing, He has quite a good account, Nearly Level 126, But if he hears about this he's pissed.

Every one will be. .
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Meh, not too bad really, it affects everyone as a whole, but for the members, poor guys

I'm not going to quit though, and Xhed hold on a second, I want a bit of the loot, so Emarian, share your way here.

Me ish also give you some credits xD
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